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Nate Capehart - Friday, March 19, 2010 1:50:27 PM

 

 

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A facebook exchange with John Clemmer:

 

-My comment on the FB group “finding 1 million people who believed in evolution.” Which started this exchange.

 

There are many more than that, if you can get them to chime in. I am naive enough to imagine that someone could not know that things, all things, evolve. The facts are there and it is a matter of belief to not accept them as an extremely factual truth.

 

John:  

There has never been a beginning, there will never be an end. Existence has always existed. Evolution/Creationism is a mute point. Contemplate eternity and infinity.

 

Correction....are mute points.

 

Nate Capehart:

My spiritual self likes that; but during that existence it is impossible that things don't evolve. Otherwise there would be no time. (although Kurt Goedel theorized that there was no time either)

 

I answered someone on the site about this as follows: It's factual!!! If the table in front of you is a table then evolution also is evolution-- it exists as much as the table exists. Bones in rock strata from millions of years ago are there just like the table.

 

I am wearing a peice of amber on a chain that has a mosquito looking bug in it from 30 million years ago.

 

So, you don't need to beleive in evolution. It is a fact and is better than any fact that is doesn't happen.

 

But then if you want to get spiritual my Buddhist self knows nothing exists.

 

John:  

Right, it's all illusion. Believing in anything, is just a belief. Knowing goes beyond belief. Like I know rocks are hard and water's wet, usually.....

 

Nate, I just noticed your profile image, exquisite. Now that's something real, beauty!!

 

I agree with the time thing. If one believes in time, then one must believe in evolution. It's completely logical. Creationism, in my humble opinion, is a fairy tail.

 

Nate Capehart:

Thanks, Rosanna took it as we started to hike back from the NW point of Oahu. I've always thought it was magical. I commented on it when I posted it last week: My new profile photo was taken on the northwest shore of Oahu. We were hiking back from the point. That's Danny, our son who died of melanoma in 1998, ahead of me in the rainbow mist.

 

John:

It is magical. Moments like that are a very rare capture.

 

Nate Capehart:

Hey John, good conversation. I am going to put most of that exchange on my vox blog. The FB group on evolution seems to have set me off. For some reason it bothers me that people can't see the difference between fact and belief. I'll just have to get over it!!!

 

 

 

Time Stretched Intention Contours the...

 

  Time Stretched Intention Contours the Hermeneutical Landscape/

 

Time is not a line, but a network of intentionalities.

                                                                    Maurice Merleau-Ponty/

 

Intentionality is not only being conscious of something but being conscious of something as something, where the ‘as’ is hermeneutical, constrained by contents stored on the backstage of intentionality.

                                                                                   Shaun Gallagher, The Inordinance of Time/

 

A perception, as sudden as blinking, that subject and object are one, will lead to a deeply mysterious wordless understanding; . . .

                                                     Huang Po/

 

Panorama: Pea size  (don’t divide it)/ 

 

Mars here; Betelgeuse there;  /

 

A memory of a close rockface and a feeling of exposure;  /

 

dropped into a living forest of now;  /

 

a taste of whiskey in the landscape.  /

 

We have been here before   /

at the pawnshop at the corner of space and time where    /

 

trees form a canopy near a green field for running through   /

 

and we trade I for now,    /

(don’t divide it with words)   /

 

and rain falls gently raising mildly scented dust   /

 

in the mindscape as time   /

 

flows through the mountain meadow, a gentle stream,   /

 

not noticed unless late for some moneyed appointment   /

 

or war;     /

 

dividing,     /

 

trading now for I.